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Kyle and her husband moved to Brookfield in 1986. She became active in local politics and started blogging in 2004. Her focus is primarily on local issues but often includes state and national topics, too. Kyle looks at things from the taxpayers’ perspective in a creative, yet down to earth way, addressing them from a practical point of view.

"Gluttonous greedy misers" don't usually propose spending more

By Kyle Prast
Monday, Mar 10 2008, 11:34 AM

Recently, a reader of my other blog, Brookfield7, sent me this comment anonymously regarding my "cynical view on today's children" and my "gluttonous greedy miser who can't spare money on the children who need it" attitude. I would encourage you to read it and see if you agree. 

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "The Corridor Report: How wide will they be? We Don't Know!":

"guess wut...
schools get old and run down... its not like since that peak year... things have gotten better. You simply attack one thing but yes, the school is crowded and most of the students, although irritated at the bottleneck that occurs at every staircase but can live with it... You need to consider everything else that is of poor quality in the school. recently due to the freeze and melting of the ice, the orchestra/choir room has sustained considerable damage due to leaking in the roof. There are priceless instruments in that room, all suspecting of water damage. With a cynical view on todays children as you seem to have, why not cut the music program. why not cut out all extracurriculars while your at it. The fact of the matter is... all things come to an end, and BC is reaching its end. Nearly every school in southeastern wisco is better than BC/BE and yet, you still argue that its fine??? If you don't care for our nations future, then fine, be a gluttonous greedy miser who can't spare money on the children who need it."

Well, someone is not happy, but they are not very well informed.

First, the orchestra/choir room. I saw that room while on the Brookfield Central tour both last year and this year, and yes, the roof leaks. There was a woman in the room, I think she was the music teacher? She stated the roof leaks every year. She had a line of large, gray, plastic garbage cans under the ceiling beam where the leaks occur. The double basses were stored in a rolling rack near that area.

Now I know roof maintenance is a very expensive piece of the yearly operations budget. Most commercial facilities operate on a 20 year repair/replacement schedule cycle for their flat roofs.

Schools usually do a section every summer. In a 20 year time span, the whole roof then will be replaced. 

Principal LaBonte explained that there is an expansion joint above the structural beam. When there are freeze/thaw cycles, that joint leaks.

I think I asked about the 20 year roof replacement cycle, or he just volunteered the information, that with or without the referendum, that roof will be replaced this coming summer.

I hope they use that newer rubber membrane technology--at the very least for that problem area of the expansion joint. It is supposed to work well. (We have it on 2 flat areas on our home. So far so good--it is 13 years old.)

Want to know what roof area was replaced last year? That would be the gym roof. I don't know if it had a history of leaks. If the orchestra room was such a dire need, either the roof replacement schedule could have been re-prioritized, or the contingency fund used to make necessary repairs.

As for the Gluttonous greedy miser charge...

Often people forget that our community is still paying off the last referendum. 

If the commenter would have read TIME IN THE DISTRICT = NO VOTE OR WHY PAY AS YOU GO MAKES CENTS
they would have known that although I am frugal, I am not a greedy miser.

In this posting I proposed raising the Capital Improvement budget by $1,000,000/year. To me, this is the only way to keep our facilities in better condition and make improvements every year.

I am also on the record as stating I think we place too much emphasis on athletics and not enough on academics. I consider music to be an important part of a child's education. 

In fact, I think that idea would be a good slogan for this year's $98 million dollar referendum (referendum + bonding) that spends far too much on new athletic space--97% of new construction is for the gym:

ACADEMICS, NOT ATHLETICS: VOTE NO! 

 

 

Elmbrook School District Referendum Links:

Wording of the April 1, 2008 $62.190.000 referendum 

Architect's Conceptual High School Floorplans--East and Central

Facility "Needs" comparison of failed 2007 and present 2008 referendums

Key Academic Benefits: It's direct address is:  www.elmbrookschools.org/.../displayFile.aspx

(I am sorry, I still cannot access it from the 2008 referendum Table of Contents page.)

Tour Schedule  

Tax Calculator  

Frequently Asked Questions

Elmbrook asks for smaller expansion--JSOnline (Also includes links to past articles)
counter hit xanga

 

The countdown begins: Just 22 days until MILLIONS OF DOLLARS Tuesday!

Email me your thoughts on the $62.2 million dollar referendum.

 

Links: Betterbrookfield Vicki Mckenna 

 

 

 

 

 
FYI: If you want to look up last year's referendum fact sheets, they are still available.
  

 

Comments

Cindy   

Wow. Looks like Elmbrook missed again. Why wouldn't they repair such an obvious problem? Could it be that a leaking roof gathers referendum yes voters?

March 10, 2008 12:51 PM

Santa's Elf   

Seems to me that your reader's comment speaks volumes about the need for additional training in basic writing!

Aside from that, I agree with him / her completely. After all, once the sump pump fails, don't we all rush down to our favorite lender and take out a several hundred thousand dollar home equity loan for major renovations?

Hey, living within ones means is like riding a Harley with a helmet: boring!

March 10, 2008 1:14 PM

intewedm   

Let's see...my house was built in 1962 and it should probably be torn down and replaced with a new one.  Absent that, it should at least be gutted and the rooms enlarged and modernized with the latest gadgets.

Now why in the world was I so foolish to put on a new roof, aluminum trim, and new vinyl siding for a cost of about 10% of the cost to do the above remodeling that any "Yes" voter would op for?  Silly me!

March 10, 2008 5:45 PM

winegirl   

Agree on the need for better writing skills. If this person is a graduate of the EBSD, then the school system failed to educate. I suspect, however, that the writer is a student--since they use the histrionic language, punctuation for emphasis, misspelling and syntax of a youthful writer.

March 10, 2008 8:02 PM

intewedm   

Excellent observations winegirl!  I might also add that if this person IS still a student I hope they aren't yet in high school.  If a high school student has such a poor command of grammar it would prove what I'm always saying that facilities don't make for quality education. I notice that the ESB gives themselves an A for teachers but one must grade the product to see if that is warranted.  I for one think there is a general lack of English skill among most of the public that is less than 40 years old.  Read almost anything on the internet if you don't agree.

March 10, 2008 9:28 PM

M. Steffen   

I am unsure why I am taking the time to write this but I need to tell you that you are sadly mistaken when it comes to the facts.  This proposal is very much more academic than athletic.  Every classroom will be updated to meet today's technology needs, libraries will be expanded for the academic need (currently students can't get into the libraries to do research if a class is using the space).  Science labs will be expanded and made safe for today's academics.  Academics and the arts will be enhanced because current gym space is being repurposed.  It is more cost effective to build gym additions vs. classroom additions.  Further the gym space will be used by our entire community (Park and Rec -- seniors will have a walking track instead of the mall which have kicked them out -- and we will be able to gain revenue by renting out the space).  Believe it or not only the crowded stairwells are being expanded so they can meet ADA standards.  Only 2 classrooms per core will be expanded and the room utilization will be 80%.  This is a plan that even Cindy said she thought she could support. It meets our academic needs and is fiscally responsible.  A home built in the 60's has most certainly been updated.  It is time for our schools too.   Believe me I have done my homework, I have spent seven months reviewing every part of this project.  I have made compromises.  There is no perfect plan but this one is fair!

Kyle's reply: Molly, please don't confuse my lack of support for this referendum with your idea that I don't think some things need to be done.  Obviously my idea of a "need" is different from your definition of a "need."

I do not doubt your sincerity and zeal for the project, but I still see too much "fat" in it. And as for Cindy, I think it is best she speaks for herself.

March 10, 2008 10:27 PM

Santa's Elf   

Is there anyone remotely connected with the school district or school board who rubs shoulders with folks making less than $200K a year?

"Every classroom will be updated to meet today's technology needs"

Having spent 40 years in Software Engineering, I can assure you that the only high school classroom accouterments required to meet or exceed today's technology needs consist one good teacher, and one desk and chair per student. The same essentials that could be found in any classroom of the fifties.

The notion that we are doing something good for our kids by getting them on the internet asap is baloney. They need lots and lots of Math, Science, Math, English, Math and Social Studies. Oh, did I mention Math? And a bit of foreign language and Music to boot.

Unless, of course, you are intentionally training them to become a bunch of $8 dollar an hour dolts, dependent upon foreign workers to provide the 'heavy' thinking in tomorrows America. This is "Bill Gates" vision for America. It ought not be ours.

But then we don't need schools at all, do we?

Sorry Kyle. I'll get a blog.

Kyle's reply: No need to get your own blog, Elf, unless you want one! Your comments are welcome. I would add Art and Industrial Arts to your list of "bits".

One only has to look at many private school and homeschool test score statistics to know that the tech. goodies do not make the student.

I wish I would have payed better attention to the tech. updates to the classrooms on the Central tour. I did note some LCD projectors in the chem. lab and graphic arts room. There may have been more.  

March 11, 2008 12:57 AM

Cindy   

Molly Steffen, I'm embarrassed for you. Bad move using my name when you said: "This is a plan that even Cindy said she thought she could support."

I said I supported the concept of remodeling over building new when those plans were pulled out in that morning meeting, NOT that I supported this referendum. There were no numbers attached when the press picked up on my comment. The school board hadn't yet worked their magic to dilute your effort.

So, Molly, what do you have to say about the fact that the school board arbitrarily added classrooms to your plan? They also expanded the size of some classrooms. The taxpayers PAID for a professional enrollment projection and then the board added 10% to the enrollment numbers. Does that mean this referendum is 10% more expensive than it should be?

It looks like the Elmbrook school board circumvented your effort completely. It's too bad they made it so easy to say no after your months of hard work.

What about Kyle's argument that "a home built in the 60's" could be updated a little at a time with regular income and not a taxpayer mortgage? You pretty much ignored her position when you ripped on her to support your own.

Kyle's OPINION is that too much is spent on new athletic space - her fact is that 97% of the new construction is for the gym. I double dog dare you to show me exactly where she is "sadly mistaken when it comes to the facts" of this blog post. You may disagree with her opinion, but the fact stands. Why don't you look on the district's Web site and see how much of the dark new construction space is for athletics?

March 11, 2008 6:48 AM

My Two Cents   

Tuesday's Journal Sentinel reports that Brookfield Academy is planning a new and larger high school.  They want to increase enrollment from 237 to 320.  They probably expect an increase, possibly from parents pulling their students out of public school before the O.S. curriculum is fully implemented?  Maybe we should wait to see if their proposal is accepted before we increase our capacity.

March 11, 2008 7:59 AM

Larry Knetzger   

The Brookfield Academy proposed project is a good example of how private enterprise can get more done for the same or less amount of capitol. The public sector just squanders dollars on meaningless things. The over emphasis on the athletic areas are just not needed.

The athletic department does fine the way it is. Kyle's remarks about a simplistic approach to class room improvements says it all. You just get sick and tired of the foolish wasting of taxpayers funds. i.e. another remodeling of city hall, more gym space, it just goes on and on. Just another vote NO here.

You just wonder how Brookfield Academy can raise the dollars they need, pay cash for the improvements needed, no interest expense, fine educational product out the door, and less emphasis on athletics . There tuition charges for each student goes towards education and not debt retirement.

I would be curious if they have a budget for funding there teacher retirement agreement's in place. I know we don't. Mr. Gibson doesn't bring up that subject at this time and neither is the board discussing it right now. Millions and Millions of dollars needed for that one. Like Tommy Thompson said, "Stick it to um".

March 11, 2008 10:24 AM

intewedm   

Molly supported the first and second referendums to at up to double the cost, so why would we think this time it's the right one?  Not in a million years!  I believe that all the "needs" can be met for less than $20 million.  All the undefined drivel about "today's academic needs" is silly.  Books, paper, and pencils along with a competent teacher will give one an excellent education.  I know...I got one and I've done well in "today's" world.

March 11, 2008 11:14 AM

Practically Speaking   

Often it seems that whenever people disagree with the school district about a program change such as

March 20, 2008 11:41 AM

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