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Kyle and her husband moved to Brookfield in 1986. She became active in local politics and started blogging in 2004. Her focus is primarily on local issues but often includes state and national topics, too. Kyle looks at things from the taxpayers’ perspective in a creative, yet down to earth way, addressing them from a practical point of view.

4K discussion reveals disturbing trend

By Kyle Prast
Wednesday, Dec 5 2007, 12:13 AM

I know many parents of 4 year olds and preschoolers are upset that the Elmbrook School District failed to implement a permanent 4K program. I do believe the parents who communicated with the board were sincere in their enthusiasm for the program.

But there was a common thread to their comments that saddened me: many acted as if 4K was the only way their child could learn, achieve, mature, and flourish at this young age.

From Rose Moylan’s quote in the paper, "It [4K] stimulates and challenges (my son) in ways that I simply cannot do at home," to Katie, who spoke at the board meeting, They [4K teachers] can pull out an energy and excitement of learning [that I cannot], their attitude is that public school 4K is the only way this can be accomplished.

What a sad commentary on parenting today.

Since when have parents become so hesitant to nurture their own children? So insecure that they think they are not up to the task of teaching 4K skills at home?

I suppose this reluctance or feeling of inadequacy shouldn’t have surprised me. I heard it all the time in people’s voices when they found out I homeschooled my son K–12. Whether it was during the elementary years or high school years or even now that my son is in technical college, people’s reactions were and are always the same: I could never do that!

Some people I knew better than to try to persuade otherwise—their minds were made up. Others, I would encourage with, “Yes, you can--if you really want to.”

Parents are a child’s primary teacher. We teach them how to eat, talk, walk, use the bathroom, etc. But somehow, when it comes to schooling, some very intelligent parents suddenly feel ill-equipped.

HSLDA, Home School Legal Defense Association (naturally, a pro parents can be teachers stance) compiled some very interesting data that illustrates that anyone can teach their own children from a 1997 study.

Pay particular attention to the comparison between the mother’s educational levels and the basic battery test scores on page 2. The mother’s who did not even finish high school scored higher (83) than those who did graduate (80) and just one point away from the mother’s who had some higher education after High School! (84)

If you compare these test score averages to the public school sector on page 1, you see that even the drop out mom’s kids scored 33 points higher than the average public school students.

Another interesting graph shows the test score differences between homeschool parents who had teacher certification and those that did not. Surprisingly, the average scores were equal at the 4th grade level and 1 point higher in 8th grade if the parent had no educational certification!

Now this posting is not about the virtues of homeschooling vs. public education. There are many factors which contribute to those higher test scores of homeschooled students. Mainly that the child receives so much more one on one time and that the parent knows if the child is “getting it” or not. (When a child has to answer each and every question asked by the teacher, there is no faking it!)

Also, just by virtue of a child being at home and being part of the running of a household, there is much more life skills education taking place. Plus, homeschool families usually eat their meals together.*

Homeschooling parents tend to never turn off the teaching either. Everything is a teaching moment. (Many parents do this too, not just homeschoolers.)

I use this homeschool comparison information only to illustrate that if an uneducated parent can teach and guide their child to outperform the public school student, even in upper grades, certainly any parent can teach their child 4 year old kindergarten skills.

If a parent feels compelled to do a 4K program at home, there are a host of curriculum ideas, materials, and plans available. Rainbow Resource is one online source of all manner of materials. But please, don’t overload your children.

Personally, I do not think this is at all necessary. Just being with your child and involving them in your life: grocery shopping (colors, counting, sizes, etc.), meal preparation (measuring, counting, basic fractions, addition, subtraction), reading to your child (if they have a favorite book, point to the words as you read, when you come to a repetitive fun word, stop and let them say it—that is how my son learned to read), singing, art projects, nature study, pretend play (playing store is great—use real money!), going to the park or other special places, etc. Basically, you just take advantage of the teachable moments throughout the day--not in a tiresome, heavy handed way--make it fun.

PAMELAMUNCH left a comment regarding the importance of family time on my blog. Here is an excerpt:

I feel so many people want a 4k so they have some place to put their child for free (no tuition) so they can work. Why not promote less material gain and more importance on the value of our children at home with mom and family meals etc. I agree w/ LISAMCL and TESTOSTERONE that time with our families is our greatest gain.

Instead of your child telling you how they learned their left from their right hand, you teach it to them! (By the way, you can remind them that if they hold up their index finger, like they are pointing to the sky, and their thumb, out at a right angle, it forms the letter L if it is their left hand. Wish I would have known that when I was a kid!)

You are qualified to teach your own child. Don’t be afraid of it, be a part of it.

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*Coming up next: Family Time and Family Meals—more important than we think

If any of you are thinking of homeschooling your children and would like some information, please don’t hesitate to contact me.

Comments

Shawn Matson   

1.  I think that 4k could provide valuable socialization for kids, but let's be honest--it can be found in other places.

2. I don't think home-schooled people are smarter because of the venue only, but I think a big part about it is that home-schooling families are generally more able to be education/knowledge-focused than the average family.  That's not a knock to public education--most people can't afford to keep their children home.  

Homeschooling is a luxury in today's world.

Kyle's reply: Just want to dispel the notion that homeschool families are more well off than others. Many of the homeschoolers I know are just average households. Granted, some are more affluent, but I would say that is the exception, not the rule. Some have mom's who work part time and teach their children. The reason they can "afford" to stay at home is because they live simply: prepare their own meals, shop thrift stores for clothing, use libraries more, borrow curriculum, live in a smaller home, and have less stuff. I know one family who are caretakers at a downtown mansion and live basically in their large kitchen and bedrooms. Another who live in a small 4 room ranch. Where there is a will there is a way.
 

December 5, 2007 12:55 AM

Cheri M.   

Kyle,

You are so right in your observations and I have seen the seen sentiment (only the Elmbrook school district is qualified to impart knowledge) as a member of the current Human Growth and Development (HGD) advisory committee.  Although at the HGD advisory committee meetings, it is a number of Elmbrook employees putting forth this view... and not all parents are buying into it.  Those who tout the "professional" teaching are routinely given more time to air their views, and those who advocate for supporting parents (as policy states, BTW) are thanked for their "opinions" in a dismissive tone.  

My concern is for those parents who crack under pressure, coerced into handing over their parental rights and responsibilities to a business entity which does not have the child's life-long interest at heart.

While I believe a school system can be a strong partner with parents, due to resources, temperment, social opportunities, etc, I believe the school system need not attempt to wrestle with parents for ultimate authority.

December 5, 2007 6:53 AM

GerryG   

Kyle, It seems to me that you've got a lot more than just one additional post worth of valuable thoughts to share with our 'let's delegate this task to someone else' society. Dr. Freudette almost blew my mind when she stood up the other night - just prior to the 4-K vote -  and tried to lay a guilt trip on every board member who was about to vote NO, forcing her into yet another year of raising little muffin by herself.

As a member of our community who only spent four years in public schools, put myself through high school in a year by correspondence, through college by my own resources, and made sure that his kids attended parochial schools, I am certainly not the most objective judge of the efficacy of public schools.

On the other hand, having quietly supported our public schools - as does every tax paying citizen -  for the past forty years, I find it difficult to believe that my opinion should be worth less than anyone else's.

Since that board meeting, I have watched it several times. And each time through I see yet another important facet which eluded me till then.

First, it is clear to me - despite one board member's objection - that the 4-K issue was a ruse which had little or nothing to do with enhancing our kids / grandkids education. It's principal purpose, as stated so eloquently by Dr. Matt himself, was to increase 'student' head count in order to increase school taxes with which to fund the 'real' programs up his sleeve. It was an attempt at larceny.

Second, of the seven board members present, one voted NO without comment while four others had something negative to say about the 4-K proposal - its inception, its efficacy or its expected financial result. That leaves only two board members who might be thought of as being 100% happy with or about 4-K.

Third, though there was lots of discussion about the fact that the district was heading toward financial Armageddon, and the difficulty about moving us 'stake holders' to pass referendums, there was virtually no mention of exactly how much education we ought to be providing through K12, or how much tax payers ought to be paying for it.

Clearly, It may well take a village to raise a child, but it's definitely going to require the entire school district to ride herd on Dr. Matt in the years to come. The school board cannot complete that task alone

December 5, 2007 2:32 PM

DerekD   

I guess where I take issue is the prevalence of this "holier than thou" attitude toward proponents of the 4K program.  Many parents struggle to maintain a basic home much less can find the energy or patience to take up homeschooling on any level, whether it is providing education the community clearly doesn't value (4K) or the whole K-12 progression (which given the state of the high schools, many would question as well).  The knee jerk seems to be, "they should have known what they signed up for - they're parents now!" And while I can share that view to a point (there is a certain level of “bucking up” to be done by a lot of today’s parents), there is also the consideration of the children themselves. As a community don't we owe something to the children regardless of their situation at home?  What about the single mom working two jobs to afford the apartment/condo in the Elmbrook district so her kid can go to (supposedly) the top district in the state?  How the heck is she going to squeeze that in?

Also, anti-4K voices who somehow feel dismissed (even though they got what they wanted, what more do they want?) keep pointing toward how supposedly there is no material gain for the student – since the statistics showed it, it must not benefit anyone.  Thank you, end of story (can we talk about updating the athletic fields now?)  Then if they don’t start accusing these parents of being absent from their kids’ lives, they usually ramble into "If you want that, fine - go to a private organization.  I'm certainly not paying for it."  Which ultimately is sad and really shows how caring and compassionate our community really is.  Maybe instead of saying, “Thank god I don’t have to pay for THAT!” a better attitude is “It is too bad we really can’t afford it.”

All that said, I'm happy with my family’s choice to enroll our four year old in a 4K program. We did not choose the Elmbrook program (though it was an option), and after witnessing the condescending nature of other Elmbrook parents in relation to this issue, I'm all the more happier. What I really am questioning is my family’s choice to move to this community, and where its “values” truly are.

Kyle's reply: I am not really sure where to start. I am glad you are happy with the choice you made. I was not suggesting that everyone homeschool their children for their entire school career, merely stating that if giving your child that perceived head start in 4K, that a parent should have the confidence to do it at home. Obviously sending the child to a private provider is always an option. As for the working mother, she needs to provide daycare for her child before 4K age. Do you think as a community we should provide that too?

December 5, 2007 2:49 PM

Shawn Matson   

My family could never have afforded it.  I'm talking about most people in general, not most middle class families you know.

Kyle's reply: You piqued my curiosity, Shawn. I found a chart from 1995 you might find interesting at  http://www.hslda.org/docs/study/rudner1999/FullText.asp scroll down about 1/3 of the page to Table 2.9.

December 5, 2007 3:45 PM

Obieone   

While Kyle points out the benefits of homeschooling, which I do not dispute...many families in the modern world are not able to do this, for financial reasons (working parents), family reasons, bad parenting reasons, etc..  So the parents (or single parent) are left with choosing a day care provider, which ranges from a neighborhood babysitting service (probably not a great choice), a day care provider (possibly a good choice), or a private or public 4k provider such as St. John's (probably a good or better choice too).  That's the reality of the world we live in.  We all make choices for ourselves and our kids.

I can see how a public school system offering 4k could have alot of positive outcomes for all involved (the parent, the child, the city, our social system).  However, we struggle with the cost of the program which is a real concern in today's limited funding structure.  It costs money, no matter where that money is coming from  

I too listened to those parents at the school board meeting and I feel their reasons for furthering 4k is compelling and emotional.  What disturbs me to hear and read are those that question the intention of these parents...as only looking for babysitting services for their kids for free.  That's a shortsighted, insulting classification of all  parents in Brookfield.    

What I see and hear from these parents is that they  are looking for a viable alternative for their kids.....and they want to see the public school system as that alternative.  I think this debate will continue on for quite awhile.  But I guess my point is that this 4k issue is not so clear cut...and that we make choices in this world (whether to stay at home as a parent or work, education choices, etc) and whether we as a society wish to offer a public education alternative such as 4k for our parents/families in Brookfield.  Homeschooling is just one option.

 

Kyle's reply: Again, working parents must provide care for their children in the pre-K years. Even if we had a 4K, people would then be stating the same reasons for implementing a 3K, then a 2K, etc. Bottom line is that 4K showed no long term educational benefit, therefore our school district, in light of our more serious financial concerns (high schools, unfunded retirement benefits, and declining enrollments) opted not to continue. Elmbrook families have been keeping their 4 year olds at home or sending to private providers for the past 65 or so years.

December 5, 2007 8:54 PM

testosterone   

Kyle, Seems to me that the big difference between home school and dr. matt school is indicated in Table 2.10 of the page you pointed out to Shawn:

                        Table 2.10

Six or More Hours Per Day of Quality Time With Surrogate Parent

Home school   0.1%

Nationwide   19.0%

Wonder if muffin's folks have looked into this virtually free 4-K option?

Kyle's reply: Testosterone, you are a bit testy here! Turning off the TV, or Surrogate Parent as you call it, is one of the things I hope to address in my next posting.

December 5, 2007 9:37 PM

Larry Knetzger   

Hi Kyle, something in the back ground here was decided yesterday by an appeals court ruling about an on line alternate for schooling for a business located in Ozaukee County. It had students from all over the state, not just it's district. Stay at home education.

The business was receiving state aid ( chapter 220 I think)which will now be stopped. Mark Belling did quite an explanation yesterday about how the teachers union stands only for making the dragon bigger and more powerful. The union is trying to kill a business that does a better job at education than the brick and mortar members of its union (those in public schools) The online school hopefully will appeal yesterdays decision to the supreme court of Wisconsin. Whether or not the court elects to here the appeal will show us how powerful the teachers union is. It does nothing for education. A lot of the educators at this business are union members and are licensed teachers. Where the business got picked on is that those involved in its operation are not all 100% licensed in the State.

So there now is the possibility that home schooling is in jeopardy. If you as a parent are not a licensed teacher you will not be allowed to raise your child. What a bunch of smoke and mirrors our liberal court system is broad casting with its stupid decision.

It almost sounds like what Mr. Gibson stands for. Bigger school and more teachers with no attention to results. The private/public school Mark Belling spoke of did much better than the public schools. All home schooling done on the internet. This is a very interesting issue FYI By the way these students also do not have a gym to frolic in. Just pure education at home on line.

The internet has a lot of good things also. Lets hope the school will appeal its decision and get a stay from the court so they can continue while the appeal is heard. This school functions solely on state aid which is only part of what it costs us to educate a student. They do not get additional dollars from the family's.  

So how does that happen, lower overhead, don't need to heat two gyms, huge glass foyers that do nothing, twenty administrators handing papers to one another. No one needed here to comfort a student when a friend dies from some terrible mishap of life.

Kind of makes me wonder why we have to pay Gibson anything, I see no results what so ever from his position here, just spend, spend, spend. Thank you for your great subject matter and analysis .

 

Kyle's reply: Yes, there was a court ruling on Virtual Academy yesterday. See http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=693592 Ruling threatens online school, Decision to cut off state open enrollment funds

FYI: Please do not confuse Wisconsin Virtual Academy with homeschooling. While it may be a good fit for some students to do Virtual School, it is not at all like homeschooling. Homeschoolers are in fact concerned with this trend because the tenancy is for parents to not be as involved, thus lowering the test score results.

This will be an issue to watch. There was some talk about Virtual Academy as a possibility in Elmbrook amongst the informal group that met over the summer.

December 6, 2007 11:13 AM

GerryG   

Kyle,

I see the national high school rankings are out for this year. See:

www.usnews.com/.../americas-best-high-schools.html

Milwaukee Rufus King was mentioned. As were Nicolet and Shorewood, Kickapoo (Vernon County), Phelps, Turtle Lake, Amery and Cashton. Conspicuously absent were any of our Elmbrook high schools.

Is there a reason why we traditionally fail to be seen when our great flotilla of learning ventures out past the breakwater onto the sea of national reckoning where so many of our sister schools from Wisconsin do quite well?

Are our schools operating under a different revenue cap from other schools in Wisconsin? Are our teacher wage and benefits packages not sufficiently generous to attract the talent necessary to propel our student body to top of the heap? What pray tell are we lacking here in Elmbrookland that would forever keep us trapped at the bottom of the high school barrel?

We certainly didn't need 4-k. And I'll bet that we probably don't really need half of what HSST will propose. But something is missing. And - lest wise up and find it soon, our kids and grandkids will be the losers!

Kyle's reply: I am not sure why we are not on the list. It may depend on the criteria they use to make the ranking determination. Many times these rankings don't really mean much, such as when AARP listed the City of Milwaukee as one of the top 10 places to live in the US.

I do not honestly know how Elmbrook compares to other districts in wage/benefits for teachers. I do know Elmbrook's cost per pupil is much higher than the average Wisconsin school. Maybe someone can help us out here with your questions.
 

December 6, 2007 10:49 PM

Married to a Sicilian   

You should be more careful about what you write on your blog.  It is unwise to personally attack others parenting skills.

Kyle's reply: I have to say, this comment surprised me. I did acknowledge that the parents who commented on 4K were sincere in their enthusiasm--it is exciting to see your children learn. But I don't agree with your comment. I don't think urging and encouraging parents to trust themselves to nurture and teach their own children 4K skills is an attack on their parenting ability. (By the way, I am 1/4 Sicilian.)

December 8, 2007 7:59 AM

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